The number of ten and 11-year-olds who fall into this category has risen by nearly 10 per cent in just four years, according to NHS data. When we went back to Liverpool, all … But what they’re getting at is that ordinary conservatives are told their ideas and values are reactionary, prejudiced, sexist or racist, and to stand up against the trend, for the views of the common sense majority, is now considered brave to do. --NeilN talk to me 15:51, 29 May 2018 (UTC), I don’t have any enthusiasm for tendentious, non-productive arguments; it’s clear you feel otherwise so there is little point continuing with you. But one's education and implied skills and intellect are key points, especially early in one's career in NY where the competition -- even in the real estate and government circles -- is full of top-tier ivy league grads. Lesson: Avoid specific wikivoice content in controversial areas. Well, basically, then, you've given no reason for your "omit" so it doesn't add any weight or insight to the discussion. An icon used to represent a menu that can be toggled by interacting with this icon. "), It is high time to sit back and open a discussion. --MelanieN (talk) 14:16, 25 May 2018 (UTC), @MelanieN:I do not say that Mueller is investigating money laundering. @MrX: About your revert,[59] here was my rationale: Would you agree to restore my edit, or do you have an alternate suggestion to resolve the above two concerns? Trump has been associating himself with, hiring, or appointing shady characters who have ended up being indicted/charged/convicted. In very rare cases, adults may suffer brain inflammation. For example, it's a fact that several members of Trump's campaign pled guilty. --MelanieN (talk) 15:05, 29 May 2018 (UTC), (EC x3) OK, I readded Scjessey and added Gandydancer. --GRuban (talk) 01:00, 25 May 2018 (UTC). That NYT article is very laudatory; it is anything but objective reporting. Do you want to draft up a paragraph or section about "Trump administration scandals"? If some new person adds an opinion, please add yourself to the tally above. Oppose both -- Really about staff, not Trump, so not lead items for Trump BLP. I would suggest not leading with 'witch hunt' as a minor subpart of the denial, and per BLP guidance to write without dramatic bits. [7] - "although there have been several indictments and guilty pleas involving campaign staff that do not directly implicate Trump or his family members." Infected children must stay away from pregnant women who have not had chickenpox, especially during the first 20 weeks of pregnancy or the last days before the birth. . Pete Best on why the band wore leather gear and not suits: "When we went over to Hamburg, we found out that the stage suits we had actually rotted and fell apart with the long hours we were playing. Second, the second sentence is not backed up by the source which merely says that conservatives say Spygate could be bigger than Watergate, but liberals say it is unfounded; neither talk about "the scope of Trump's scandals". My point is that guilty pleas and indictments are relevant to Trump himself. The chickenpox beds down in the nerve endings, then lies dormant. or debate this issue live on our message boards. Pete Best leaves the Blackjacks and becomes The Silver Beetles' drummer. LibraryThing is a cataloging and social networking site for booklovers The. After Trump dismissed FBI Director James Comey in 2017, a special counsel began investigating coordination or links between the Trump campaign and Russian government in connection with Russian interference in the 2016 elections, and related matters, resulting in several indictments and guilty pleas involving campaign staff. As evoked in an earlier discussion, these events were one-off actions, and as such they do not look notable enough to be included as a key foreign policy event. BEEKMAN 594 With the Armies of Occupation . Greg L (talk) 03:20, 31 May 2018 (UTC), Very low participation after 17 days, even after a call for more. Prefer the simpler investigation and denial as being the elements specific to Trump. Stories about Pete Buttigieg’s nomination as secretary of transportation bury the elephant in the room. [5] ("Not mentioning this in the lead is malpractice. --MelanieN (talk) 21:24, 25 May 2018 (UTC), The lede section currently mentions the two missile strikes on Syrian infrastructure in retaliation for chemical weapons attacks. His denials and repeated claim of "no collusion" are undue weight given to the subject's own narrative. DuBois, W. E. B. 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Almost a fifth are classed as obese. I think this was an improper close and a wrong read of the discussion. Only after the procedural issue is resolved can we perhaps actually discuss contents… — JFG talk 05:57, 23 May 2018 (UTC), [6] - "despite guilty pleas and indictments from several members of his campaign." We could then move Trump's denial near the "why his supporters accepted that" bit, as suggested in another edit by Space4Time3Continuum2x[63] that was self-reverted due to your challenge of my prior edit. Why should we opt for the RS that are least equipped to understand polls, forecasts and probabilities rather than the reliable sources whose existence are centered around dealing with polls, forecasts and probabilities? There are plenty of RS, they have not taken a pass on this. Of course they are. The comparison to the Trump investigation is Watergate. There's no crystal balling by simply stating the fact - the investigation has led to a number of guilty pleas and indictments. Try looking up the word sometime. After Trump dismissed FBI Director James Comey in 2017, the Justice Department appointed Robert Mueller as special counsel in an investigation into coordination or links between the Trump campaign and Russian government in connection with Russian interference in the 2016 elections, and related matters, resulting in several indictments and guilty pleas involving campaign staff. An overview of the politics, society, and race issues which defined the American South. FREDERIC C. HOWE 622 Impressions of Alsace Under the Armistice GEN. EMILE A. TAUFFLIEB 629 ARTICLES, … — JFG talk 22:53, 27 May 2018 (UTC). Andrevan, you need to work out wording on the talk page if you wish to re-add substantially identical material that has been challenged. Greg, have you read the cited sources? --MelanieN (talk) 20:14, 28 May 2018 (UTC). What do my fellow editors think? [58] So, there's a conflict among reliable sources where the reliable sources least equipped to understand polls and probabilities say that Trump's win was stunning whereas the reliable sources most equipped to understand polls and probabilities (538, NYT's Upshot) gave Trump a decent chance to win. This is idiotic and misleading wording. Trump has denied accusations of racism multiple times, saying he is the "least racist person". Maybe we could even say he has called the investigation a witch hunt. No consensus to include. His election also upset the expectations of data analysts within both campaigns. 13 Russian nationals and 3 Russian or Russian-controlled companies charged with interference proper (mostly peddling propaganda under false identities); none of these people have been reported to be related to the Trump campaign. Collusion seems a Democratic vaguery, instead of the legal term 'conspiracy'. Where there is not a clear consensus, the default (per DS) is to the longstanding or stable version of the article. As happened with several other incidents, his racially insensitive remarks attracted widespread condemnation domestically and worldwide, including by several members of Congress. If it were truly undue, like the breed of his pet cat or the name of his tailor, it would not be mentioned in so very many sources. US has its SECOND deadliest day of the pandemic as Biden takes office: More than 4,200 Americans die of... Eli Lilly's coronavirus antibody drug prevents 80% of nursing home residents from falling ill from COVID-19,... Can Biden's vaccine drive EVER end the covid crisis? Trump has repeatedly denied any collusion with Russia. Number of critical care beds occupied is 70% higher than last winter and a quarter of hospitals had NO space... Dr Fauci warns South African 'super-covid' is the variant to worry about because it may make vaccines less... Don't you know there's a pandemic on? I have lost count and am not sure whether it is currently in the article or not, but whichever it is, LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS for another day or two until discussion here winds down. Trump has called for the investigation to be terminated. Complications can include paralysis of the face, loss of hearing and vertigo and damage to the eye. My reasoning stands and I find your arguments to be unconvincing. 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"[1][2][3] However, records show that he was never on the Dean's List,[4] and the 1968 commencement program does not list him as graduating with any sort of honors. The relevant facts are that several members of Trump's campaign have been indicted and pled guilty to a criminal investigation, but Trump himself has not been directly implicated. It doesn't really matter which version is in the article for the moment. Atsme 03:49, 28 May 2018 (UTC), We’ve recently had several edits and changes about his claim to have excelled at Wharton. I would suggest to remove this sentence. This is the problem with whataboutism. It's far from "tabloid-quality" and that is an unfortunate disparagement of the authors and their serious, critically recognized research for the book. Posts about Sir Geoffrey Vickers written by essaybee2012. Leather was a lot cheaper in Hamburg. Do you disagree? In other words, the authors did exhaustive fact-checking by that and other means to see whether they could verify Trump's claims. --MelanieN (talk) 22:19, 28 May 2018 (UTC), According to Trump Revealed, he later "bragged about being a top student among his 333 Wharton classmates, even claiming to be first in his class. And even if we adopted your change, there would still be a lot of redundancy between the two sentences. — JFG talk 04:32, 23 May 2018 (UTC), @Awilley, MelanieN, and NeilN: We may need some admin attention here. ), etc. The "do not recall" bit is from a notable book and the authors interviewed a large number of Trump's former classmates at Penn. SPECIFICO talk 22:58, 25 May 2018 (UTC). It DOES matter that we respect the DS and each other. The North Korea summit was cancelled today. On talk pages, we don’t “vote!” on questions and formal RfCs but discuss, share ideas, and debate topics in a formal manner as we endeavor to arrive at a consensus. As an advisory to editors, the template may optionally be used in those extraordinary occasions that many editors (perhaps a hundred or more) edit an article on the same day, for example, in the case of natural disasters or other breaking news. Opinions evenly divided. Andrevan@ 06:02, 24 May 2018 (UTC), I don't see how anyone can think the indictments aren't related to Trump. The notable book is only one among many and there's nothing to suggest that report was based on casual or incomplete research. Shingles is also known as herpes zoster. At most, there is no consensus to remove it. Fewer opinions, and more factually based, encyclopedic material would be a vast improvement over campaign rhetoric and unproven allegations. Nate Silver says explicitly that journalists do not understand polls in the first two minutes. --NeilN talk to me 13:15, 23 May 2018 (UTC), Well, I restored the stable version of the last paragraph. Amend consensus item 2, unlink New York City in the infobox, "his victory upset the expectations of polls and analysts. It's a lot more solid than chatter about how Trump pressured N. Korea, for example, or how Trump is worth $3.1 billion according to a third-tier "capitalist tool" business magazine, IMO. The basic meaning of the two additions is identical. That is how it is supposed to be done with contentious labels and derogatory comments based on opinions. Yes. I'm not a fan of guilt by association, but Trump's connections with some of the indicted people are pretty strong. I'm vacillating between weak support and weak oppose. This is not an invitation to revisit the rest of that consensus, please stay on topic. According to Trump Revealed, he "bragged about being a top student among his 333 Wharton classmates, even claiming to be first in his class." PETER WALKER: Are slim people ALWAYS fitter than fatties? The fact that he constantly brags and exaggerates about everything, Yes. The article used to say he "boasted" about this; editors changed it to "claimed", later "said", for NPOV reasons; the latest edit changed it to the POV word "bragged". The authors did not rely solely on the recollection of the dozens of classmates they interviewed. The more specific the content, the less RS support there is for it. Trump’s victory was universally reported as a surprise. Instead, it has continued, resulting in a number of indictments and guilty pleas of his campaign staff. We could wear it on-stage and off-stage. A FREE lifestyle magazine with the heart and soul of the Fens. He's STILL trying to defend Mike Flynn, despite some pretty disturbing revelations. 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